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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 16, 2005 10:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

I agree with you. But the thread sto which you object have to do with musical performances, rather than grilled cheese. With like 3000 Dead shows on here, can you seriously be upset that Deadheads (many of whom may either stumble upon this site through a search engine or may not otherwise be aware of your other suggested forums) talk about Grateful Dead things on here? Although I think you're right about some of your points, I think that any time there's unilateral, arbitrary censoring of people's thoughts, there might be cause for concern.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 16, 2005 10:42pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

i agree with both pat and diana. it is just a reality that the dead comprise almost 10% of all the shows on the LMA and are going to generate alot of discussion. it should however be kept to LMA related items though. i would love to see fans of other bands start posting some threads. i have tossed in threads regarding bands like Garaj Mahal, Kimock, Bela Fleck, Lotus, Acoustic Syndicate, etc, but have rarely received much of a response. fans who want to promote music of other bands need to step up a bit and contribute. although i am a huge deadhead, most of my downloads are from the aforementioned bands. But since i am just getting into them (with the exception of Kimock), it would be nice to get more than one response from a query post. i am just so thankful that this site has opened my ears to so much great "new" music. i'm just not sure i buy into the theory that other fans are too put off to bother responding due to the number of GD posts.
i see so many many posts from the moving images people, open source audio etc - they certianly dont appear "put off." just my 1 1/2 cents.

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2005-11-17 06:42:34

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Poster: 3roin stones Date: Nov 17, 2005 12:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

I certainly can see Diana's point-some of the Dead related threads are too specific to non-archive questions and should be addressed elsewhere.
But, we're talking about a band with a thirty year history and 3,000 downloads on this site-not to mention the continuing performances by the members. What other band can come close to these numbers?
I,ve said it before that we Heads tend to be very passionate,if not downright obsessive about the Dead and sometimes we get carried away in our discussions and need to be reigned in.However we do need to be a little bit more responsible with our threads. I mean "best Dead air?"
All in all, we do need to restrict our queries to the shows here on the archive. We all love this site and would be devestated if we could'nt rely on it for our musical needs. I know I'm guilty of going off topic as are most of the other Deadheads who post on this forum and will,in the future try to restrict myself to the shows themselves.
But, I cannot see the problem of the best of performances throughout the Archive for any band. I certainly download other bands and rely on reviews posted by non-Dead fans, and will continue to do so. This site is a marvel and I love it and am very grateful for all the hard work you curators do to keep it up and running.

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Poster: LMT Date: Nov 17, 2005 1:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

I need some clarification here. If I am asking about others' opinions of the shows with the best version of song 'x' so that I can dowload it, that topic is somehow not appropriate for the LMA forum?

I can understand the policy of no ISO's that aren't on the LMA (either because it's too soon or b/c it's a commercial release). And obviously, I understand the policy of not posting topics that don't relate at all to the LMA downloads.

So, is it OK or not to start a thread asking "What's the best show with song 'x' to download?" As someone who just stumbled onto this site within the past 2 months, I really would like to know so I don't abuse/misuse the forum. Please clarify!

This post was modified by LMT on 2005-11-17 09:21:19

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 17, 2005 1:50am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

The general idea of "what's the best version of song x here" is fine as far as I'm concerned. It's about exploring the music here together. But even within that context, here are some things to think about given the tips in the parent post:

-Is the subject line tagged with the band name as well as the song name, to aid fans and nonfans? Or are you mistakenly posting as if this forum is just for your particular favorite band?

-Has this song or topic come up a bunch before, such that you can spare everyone a rehash? Like it says on each posting box here, "Please search the FAQs and forums using the box at the top of this page before posting questions in the event that your question has already been asked and answered in the past."

-Are there already a dozen other fresh topics about your band (relevant or not) churning on the board? Would it be possible to hold off and give some breathing room for other stuff- maybe ask later? That's a personal choice you can make, a common sense idea I'm asking anyone to consider. Common sense and perspective are good.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-17 09:50:28

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Poster: LMT Date: Nov 17, 2005 4:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

Thanks for clarifying, Diana. The points you make make sense to me.

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Nov 17, 2005 8:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

"the point is .. the forum is first and foremost for technical issues... new users..."

dgrayshn, is this stated somewhere or just your opinion?? Seems like FAQ should be the first stop for these needs.

That the GD posts should be related to Archive collection is certainly a reasonable guideline, and folks using the Forum Search PRIOR to launching a 'best version' and 'best of year' thread would be nice.

Otherwise I don't get the too much GD gripes. The space to start new threads is UNLIMITED and its assumed that everyone can work there scroll or page down function to whip by all the posts that don't interest them.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-17 16:08:16

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2005 8:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

nicely put man! :)

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Nov 17, 2005 4:58pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

This is yet another depressing post. Like a nasty disagreement in a hopeless relationship it dosn't look like resolution is possible. Even worse it appears the issue seems to be centered around some kind of bizarre irrational fear.

This time it just feels like the wind has gone from the sails.
Like any censorship you're gonna loose more good than bad. That's the price for excercising power.

After spending long cold gloomy days working in the feild with insensitive people and then coming home only to work half way through the long night on dry and lifeless technical reports and other business related "BS"...
What I'm trying to say is it's a real treat to finaly slow down, kick back, let the world go by, drop in on this site and read the postings here by the regulars. I'm as big a sucker as any for jumping into the discussions...these are beautiful people with beautiful ideas that for the most part make a geniune effort to get along and respect each others opinions.
If the archive would rather Deadheads took their insights somewhere else then so be it. I've never been one to hang where I'm not wanted.
If that's how it's gonna be I just hope I get to converse with ALL of these wonderful people again.

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Poster: Simard Date: Nov 17, 2005 8:43pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

hang in there bro - it's friday ... assuming there is such a day in the land of the midnight sun.

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Poster: 3roin stones Date: Nov 17, 2005 1:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

"Common sense and perspective are good."

Could'nt have put it better than that. Thanks Diana!

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Poster: dire--wolf Date: Nov 17, 2005 4:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

Don't want to pile on but what is the fuss? To much Dead talk? It's all good. If I see 80 posts of another band, that's cool too. We might learn something new. I agree posts should be in regards to content and advise about songs and or recordings on the LMA.

No Time To Hate. Are You Kind?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2005 4:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

i guess that nixes my thought of starting a "Best: Take a Step Back" string ;P

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Poster: 3roin stones Date: Nov 17, 2005 6:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

On the contrary, a Step Back thread sounds fascinating. Maybe we could expand to Best Jerry Step Back, Best Phil Step Back, Best Bobby etc.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2005 6:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

lol!!!! i knew i'd find interest in that string :)
peace and jam on people :)

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Poster: dire--wolf Date: Nov 20, 2005 4:43am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting Take a Step Back

7-10-89 and 7-12-90

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Poster: 3roin stones Date: Nov 17, 2005 1:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

That's exactly the kind of thread that should be allowed as it pertains to a specific LMA reference and can be addressed by those whose knowledge of LMA Grateful Dead offerings are more extensive than mine.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 16, 2005 11:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

OK, D-wolf has described exactly how I feel about this controversy, which I don't feel needs to be a controversy at all.

If people don't like seeing Dead-related discussions, simply start a different one!

I too am a huge DeadHead (and make no apologies for that) but contrary to popular belief I have a great interest and listen to a large variety of other music as well. This site has turned me on to many bands, of which I would be more than happy to talk about, including RAY'S MUSIC EXCHANGE and HOME AT LAST, to name just 2....not to mention the countless other bands I've always loved and love talking about (RADIATORS, CHARLIE HUNTER, DEREK TRUCKS, MARTIN SEXTON) that are also abundant on the archive.

But there's no way I can resist a compelling thread about the Dead. I just don't see what's so bad about that, If I don';t like a particular song on the radio or show on TV, I turn the channel. It doesn't mean I stop listening to the radio or watching TV altogether. It never ceases to amaze me the vitriol that some people have towards the Dead. I don't know if they just resent the passion that DHeads have for their favorite band or if Jerry Garcia bit them when they were kids, but the anger expressed by Dead Haters really is confusing to me.

Our discussions of the best "Row Jimmy" or "Uncle John's Band" in no way threatens to wipe out the myriad of other music available for Download AND discussion on this site!

I made the mistake of responding to one particularly nasty posting not long ago that asked why there could't be some "serious" discussion of music on this site rather than the ramblings of Dead heads...but the person made no such suggestion of that "serious" discussion himself! Instead of insulting Dead Heads, just start a discussion of another band and I guarantee you'll be surprised at how easy it is to get others--including Dead Heads-- to gleefully join in.

Long live the archive!

GC

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Nov 16, 2005 11:43pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

the point is .. the forum is first and foremost for technical issues... new users...

someone posting a thread asking about what the best GD song from the summer of 71 or whatever should be posted on a GD fansite...

seems like a pretty straight forward concept to me...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 16, 2005 11:50pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

If the forum is supposed to be solely for tech issues and newbie queries, fine. I'll stop posting completely. I've yet to see that as the written policy or get any warnings about it.

and it STILL doesn't address the point i'm making: Why can't tech issues, newbie questions or anything else for that matter co-exist w/postings about the Dead? Where in the world is the harm? If you see a posting about a Dead question and aren't interested, don't read it. Move on and post your own question.

Plus, the majority of Dead postings I have seen are in fact related directly to the archive b/c when someone asks a question about the best version of this or that song, they are more often than not directed to the very show that exists here in the archive. I have found dozens of great song versions based on threads from this forum. That's not pointless talk about best this or worst that...it's information that leads directly to what this site offers: great live music.

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Poster: Simard Date: Nov 17, 2005 12:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

I tend to agree w the DeadHeads here ... a sort survival of the fittest scenario is happening here ... non DeadHeads should see this as a challenge: Represent Yourselves and Your Bands. We'll listen to you and your bands, we're not as closed minded as we sometimes come across. This may sound cocky, but without the Dead it's likely than most other bands may not have adopted similar taping and trading policies. This LMA might not even exit (can't wait for the back-lash on that one!). Recall the story that Jerry told us about how he taped a Bill Monroe concert - hell, he was the first taper!

OtherHeads : represent Yourselves!

BTW, this here LMA was in Time Magazine this week... we should probably feel the effects this weekend.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 17, 2005 1:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: LMA in Time Magazine?

BTW, this here LMA was in Time Magazine this week... we should probably feel the effects this weekend.

Really? Just a blurb or what?

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-11-17 09:27:14

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Poster: Simard Date: Nov 17, 2005 1:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

Brad - Barely a blurb... it's their Great Inventions issue... talks about the new accessibility of music on line; mentions ETree/Archive specifically - also mentions the Grateful Dead specifically. I'll look at it again tonight. Have a good Thursday. - Brian

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffTyler Date: Nov 17, 2005 2:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

read it at the bottom of this page:


ARCHIVE.ORG/AUDIO/ETREE.PHP The Live Music Archive is where hard-core fans go to find high-quality live recordings. It is a "noncommercial" (meaning free and legal) service, but many big acts turn up on the site, including Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz and the Grateful Dead.

This post was modified by Tyler on 2005-11-17 10:17:08

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2005 12:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: About forum posting

very well put gc! i too have not read that the forum is simply for tech questions/newbies/etc. that seems to me to be counterproductive to what the LMA stands for (at least in my opinion). the etree forum should be about the music - but i do agree that it should be in reference to bands/shows that are on the archive. Diana's "best cheese sandwich in the parking lot" comment is very valid. those are ridiculous inquiries which should be on another site's forum. but to bounce back and forth between between the archive and another fan site just to find out a good clean version of a GD song seems somewhat foolish since this is the site which holds the music.
and what if I want a good clean soulful version of Kimock's "tongue n groove"?? do i have to search out a fansite forum for kimock just to ask a simmple question that can be answered (hopefully) here?
- by the way - the "tongue n groove" from 07/01/05 is about as gorgeous as it gets.


also - i may be "dead" wrong, but it seems to me that the only people who have been pointing me in other band's directions are the same people who are posting GD strings. (case in point - the current bluegrass with drums etree forum string). Like Simard said - OtherHeads need to promote their bands here. There is nothing more refreshing musically than discovering a new, beautiful sound.

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